I have mixed feelings about this product. First off, my customer had to size up one. Which is fine, he is kind of a bug and tall guy. We added his work logo to the garment and it didn't stitch well. The shirt was thin and ripped small holes in the logo when embroidered. They were fine for him, but not something I would ever sell if it weren't a close friend who I was up front with. They did in a pinch, but not certain I will buy them again if I don't absolutely have to.